Mitt Romney's Son Rescues Victims, Smiles For Photo Op

"PRBot II" (prbot2) 11/30/2013 at 01:52 • Filed to: car crashes, humblebrag

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In a stunning display of Romneycare, Mitt Romney’s son, Josh, says he lifted four people out of a car that crashed into a home late Thursday night after celebrating Thanksgiving. He !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! with the not-so-candid picture, and later sent a written statement to the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! :

“Last night, after Thanksgiving dinner with my parents and family, I drove with my wife and children to my home. We exited I-215 South at 4500 South and came to a stop at the intersection. Just then, a vehicle traveling at highway speed passed narrowly by my car, through the intersection and into the kitchen of a home across the street.

I drove to the accident site and entered the home where the car had come to a stop on its side. I opened the car door and spoke with the four passengers inside the car. Miraculously, they appeared to have no major injuries. I was able to help each of them get out of the car and lift them down to the ground.

My family and I are grateful that no one was seriously injured and glad to have been able to help those affected by this terrible accident. What I did to help the people involved in the accident is what anyone else would do who witnessed such a potentially dangerous situation.”

While the lack of pupils in his eyes suggests not having a soul, his actions certainly suggest otherwise. Rescuing people from a wrecked car is commendable. But the juxtaposition of the wreckage while smiling like a tourist at Disneyworld just seems kind of awkward. Regardless, nice work, Josh. Now work on your Twitter-Fu, your humblebrag is showing.

offroadkarter > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 01:57

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Gawker really needs its own version of oppositelock but for news/political shit

TheOnelectronic > offroadkarter 11/30/2013 at 02:05

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I'm pretty sure they do.

offroadkarter > TheOnelectronic 11/30/2013 at 02:06

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I try not to leave jalop/oppo so honestly if they really do I'd have no idea

MtrRider Just Wants Doritos > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 02:10

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"I feast on the souls of the poor and innocent!"

JEM > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 09:25

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Now work on your Twitter-Fu, your humblebrag is showing.

A+. No possible way I could have said it better myself.

ptak appreciates old racecars > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 09:32

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"Mitt Romney's Son Rescues Victims"

Zinc64 > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 09:39

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"Modesty aBlaze"

Have Jeep, will travel. > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 10:01

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If I pulled four people from a car that ended up on its side in a kitchen after almost hitting my car, and everyone was basically ok, I would take a picture and post jt on the internets too. I fail to see what the issue is. Not everyday that this happens in my life at least.

JayHova > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 10:33

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Josh Welton > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 10:35

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I've had a few friends over the last couple of months post on FB/Twitter about how they came across some random incident and helped out. Flat tire/accident/damsel in distress. Not one of them got called out for a "humblebrag." He did a good thing. Leave it at that.

hatescyclists > Have Jeep, will travel. 11/30/2013 at 10:36

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Yeah, but this gawker and he's the son of they guy the messiah beat in an election. (Also a republican) He could have saved obamacare from that car and people would still be making jokes/complaining about it.

ChiminyCheroo > offroadkarter 11/30/2013 at 10:41

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That's basically just Gawker.

bobrayner > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 10:47

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Meh. Most people would do the same.

Earlier this year I "rescued" several drivers who were trapped in snow. The area was completely snowbound for a few days so I made them comfortable in my house, opened a couple of good whiskies, cooked what food I had left, and put on some movies. (Misery, Fargo, The Shining, Dr Zhivago &c). I think any other civilised human would try to help if they could; why not?

(I'm the gentleman in yellow and black)

Of course I put it on Facebook, complete with photos - it was a good adventure. Of all the social networking sins, being proud of helping others is probably the smallest.

M54B30 > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 10:53

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Keep politics off Jalopnik and related sub-sites.

SquirrelyWrath > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 11:01

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It's a self serving PR scam. If you believe a word of it then you are as stupid and gullible as the Romneys think you are. He didn't save shit. He's no white knight.

stirling.spera > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 11:08

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I argue that this isn't political at all. The story is just "a dude we all know" did something cool and took an awkward photo.

F1guy hates duck billed F1 cars > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 11:08

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This is a Gawker site, and the Romney family is Republican...

YShen151181 > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 11:15

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This has almost nothing to do with politics, you buffoon. The Romney son just happens to be a person who only seems to do good deeds so they can brag about it on social media. Just because he happens to be a Romney doesn't necessarily mean that the author is trying to make any sort of opinion on Romneys or Republicans.

M54B30 > YShen151181 11/30/2013 at 11:19

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It does, you buffoon. Otherwise why post it? If his name was joe boxer would anyone post it?

japanophile25 > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 11:20

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You offered them good whiskey? Makes you a hero in my book. Mind if I asked what you shared?

M54B30 > stirling.spera 11/30/2013 at 11:21

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The comments section is rife with political crap. It was directed more towards commenters then the author

112358132134 > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 11:28

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" and entered the home" so we support breaking and entering now? jk

nauyop > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/30/2013 at 11:29

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"I am a zombie" in short

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 11:32

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Wow. Such rescue. How brave. Great job. Yay. Saved people. Super.

mad.anthony > Have Jeep, will travel. 11/30/2013 at 11:33

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Exactly. In fact, if I came across a car that was sitting in a kitchen, I'd probably take a picture of myself standing next to it even if I didn't rescue anyone from it, because how often do you come across a car in a kitchen?

bobrayner > japanophile25 11/30/2013 at 11:47

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At least one bottle of SMWS 4.147 "Impeccable manners", one of SMWS 13.45 "Sassy reverberations", probably a Penderyn... I'm usually a wine drinker but it's important to be prepared for every guest, and these guests preferred whisky. :-)

stirling.spera > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 11:47

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Okay, I'll drink to that.

saab forever > offroadkarter 11/30/2013 at 12:04

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The Gawker version of oppositelock but for new/political shit is just Gawker.

I try not to go there too often either.

PRBot II > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 12:10

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Why not help? No reason at all. I think all of us here would have done the same. Also, that's an excellent candid-style photo. Cheers to you, good sir.

SGTalon > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 12:13

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I am shocked by that. Most people that come across an accident take pictures just like this one. As a matter of fact, when I got in an accident in England about 15 years ago I took a picture that looked EXACTLY like this one. I didn't have FB or The Twitter then so I never posted it. Heck it was on 35mm!

bumpusactual > Have Jeep, will travel. 11/30/2013 at 12:19

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The problem is that a Republican did something good, and all Gawker websites are liberal.

Hindered23 > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 12:23

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damn you liberal conspiracy theorists. you must live lives of doubt and anger.

japanophile25 > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 12:24

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Oh damn, can we be best friends?

900turbo > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 12:28

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That's cool and I commend you for what you did.
The difference is you didn't pose next the car like a rhino you killed on a safari.
You took the extra steps to help including opening your home to strangers.

Bansheeisacomin > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 12:42

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That is a great selection of movies you have there. Just right for the occasion.

RiddldedTomcat > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 12:44

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I would assume that this picture was taken after rescuing the people. I think it's ok if they pulled the people out and everyone was ok to smile for a picture. I would be smiling out of joy due to lack of injury. So this is fine. Assuming the above.

MFEJAL grey because who knows... > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 13:14

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Translated from his inner brain:

Look at me, we are genetically good people. We will help you when you needed the most.

But we help even poorer people than you, living in China, Malaysia, and other far far away countries with your job.

Smile, is for a good cause! our stocks went up and we thank you for that!

Icarus8 > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 13:38

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It's the picture that makes him a jackass. One family has just had its home destroyed, another has lost its car and survived a traumatic accident (I'll reserve judgment on the driver since we don't know the details), and here's Mighty White smiling while posing amid the wreckage. He's insensitive at best, coming off as self-absorbed and vain, rather than concerned about the people affected by this accident. He could have posted a picture without him mugging like a trophy hunter if he wanted to share this dramatic incident with his friends.

SquirrelyWrath > Hindered23 11/30/2013 at 13:39

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You conservative conspiracy theorists must live lives of doubt and anger. Must really suck when your trust of a person depends entirely on which animal picture they stand under instead of any kind of critical thinking.

bobrayner > Bansheeisacomin 11/30/2013 at 13:56

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By the third day we ran out of options on Netflix. After Ice Station Zebra and Dr Strangelove I was at a dead end.

If the internet had failed, cabin fever would have set in much sooner, and we would have resorted to cannibalism on approximately day 2.

feather-throttle-not-hair > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 14:11

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No, but if his name was Lady Gaga, they'd still post it. I think it has to do with his celebrity more than anything else.

I'm firmly left of center, but good on the Mitling.

Philip Anthony > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 14:25

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Yeah... I am pretty great, aren't I? Make sure you get my Great side!

Andrew Seifert > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 14:27

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Agreed, it needs to stay on the other Gawker sites.

Gadiuz > Icarus8 11/30/2013 at 14:29

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If I had just witnessed such an event and managed to help out to discover a lack of injuries I would probably do the same thing. All things considered it was a horrific event that ended well. Why not rejoice a little?

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 14:29

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... none of their own friends called them out, so that means they weren't? Riiight

scottus > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 14:30

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Agreed.

jstaniz > bobrayner 11/30/2013 at 14:33

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Misery and The Shining? Did your guests wake up with leg shackles on? Was this the point that your guests realized the grave mistake they made?

Josh Welton > evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) 11/30/2013 at 14:39

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"Right"???

"Wrong" could have been leaving the poor saps to fend for themselves. So this isn't a question of right or wrong, it's about whether or not it's couth to publicize it after the fact. Perhaps not, but I think you could see it as using the situation to inspire others to act similarly in a given situation. You know, as opposed to DOING NOTHING like nine out of ten passing by typically do.

Hirsch > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 14:43

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Can you imagine how much abuse he'd have received if he'd taken a selfie?

Also,had this been someone in Obamas family, he'd be treated like he saved the whole world from extinction. Lest we forget, to many Ozombies, Obozo is "our lord and savior".

How anyone can continue to support Obama is beyond me. The man(and I use that word loosely) is a pathological liar and a complete dolt.

JD > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 14:47

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Saving people from car, Right on. Posing for a photo-op, tweeting and advertising your self-perceived heroism to the local paper is a douche bag move. Leave it at that.

JD > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 14:49

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I smelled sarcasm....you know, that slightly nutty, almost marshmallowy fragrance of hilarity?

PRBot II > Hirsch 11/30/2013 at 14:49

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Wow, that clip is... um. Wow.

And yeah, Mitt's son would be read the riot act for an all-out selfie. Add some duck face, and it would be all over. Now if it was Obama's son... oh wait he's dead.

/runs for cover

scottus > YShen151181 11/30/2013 at 14:56

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This is exactly what I hate about the internet, personal attacks (buffoon) against someone you don't even know. Sure, say the comment is stupid, say that's not accurate but call someone a buffoon? Uuugh.

Have Jeep, will travel. > bumpusactual 11/30/2013 at 15:05

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What? Gawker media perpetuating the "myth" of a liberal media bias? Unthinkable! They are almost as bad as MSNBC or CNN.... I'm surprised they don't have a "We're ready for Hillary 2016" banner ad up yet.

MooseKnuckles > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:10

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dibs on the ceiling fan

Caml > M54B30 11/30/2013 at 15:11

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This is also on Oppo, not the Jalopnik front page.

KevFlan > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:13

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That is a very very tasteless photo op. What a twit..and yes i do know him.

JoeM1983 > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:18

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Meanwhile in Russia, 4 people are still trapped in thier car, but videos of the crash have been uploaded to youtube....

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > offroadkarter 11/30/2013 at 15:20

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They do. It's called Gawker.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 15:21

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Wow really buddy? Holy shit. You people are bitter as it gets. Go look up the accident. There's only one way to prove it...this is the internet. You'll have the answers to all your (stupid) questions in a second.

SquirrelyWrath > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 11/30/2013 at 15:32

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A troll calling someone a troll. Pot? Meet Kettle.

green_man_group > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:36

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Typical Gawker nonsense in the comments. Not surprised.

I do not vote based on parties, but I tend to have conservative values - so I rarely vote Democrat. But when Tom Barrett (Milwaukee's mayor) tried to stop a man from beating a woman with a pipe and ended up being beat up himself - I respected the guy for doing what was right no matter what the cost.

Does it mean I voted for him? No. But I respected him more as a person. I'm not sure why there is any difference here for those of you who don't like this man's (father's) political leaning.

Politicians are still humans. (Those who help people in bad situations prove it, do they not?)

I don't particularly care for a lot of things about the Romneys, but this is a good thing that Josh did here.

The fact that he smiled for a photo is evidence that he has been in photos before. And the fact is ... this had a happy outcome all things considered ... are you all saying you wouldn't smile in a similar situation? Is a frown or stern face more appropriate?

Jacob Lower > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:41

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I help people everyday and many others do the same, but no one makes a statement about it. Who gives a shit. I hate politicians

clquake > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 15:52

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It's good that he helped four people. But then he goes dbag by promoting himself for doing it, kind of like, "hey, check me out, I helped some people and now I demand recognition for doing it."

Christian > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 16:00

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Crashed into a house?

M54B30 > Caml 11/30/2013 at 16:10

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....the same Oppo that is a Jalopnik sub-site? Hm.

Hindered23 > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 16:28

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i fail to understand the conspiracy theory i aligned with. just a good deed done by somebody being shouted down on by some liberal asswipe. i don't associate with any party. but i certainly don't align with unrealistic idealists.

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 16:39

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If you have to say "Hey, look at me being a good person over here", it's most likely because you're not otherwise. For example, the Romneys made no donations to charity (unless you consider the Mormon church a charity, I don't) until a few years before he ran for president. Then during the election, he made a higher donation in dollar amount than Obama, but less as a percentage of his wealth. That tells me all I need to know.

Josh Welton > evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) 11/30/2013 at 16:44

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If you have to say "Hey, look at me being a good person over here", it's most likely because you're not otherwise.

That's an awfully broad stroke to paint with, and I don't believe it for a second.

SquirrelyWrath > Hindered23 11/30/2013 at 16:51

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"i don't associate with any party" "liberal asswipe" Of course you do. You just tipped your hand. You are every bit a bitter religious tax evading gay hating paranoid schizophrenic republican this inbred autocratic showoff frat boy cultist pictured above is. You show the same naivety and hostility endemic to the average slack jawed yard ape middle American "conservative". You want to be angry and hostile and call names? I can do that shit to dick head. I can insult your party, your politics, your lineage, your ethnicity, and sexuality with the best of them. Do not assume critical thinking or intellect means a wishy washy pushover. And learn what the fuck a PR stunt is some time. God damn you people are butthurt.

Ryan Stewart > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 16:58

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Hell I would, not to brag (he pretty clearly stated that everyone was fine and he just helped them out of the car) but to say, "Hey guys, check out this crazy shit that just happened!" And you can smile because nobody was hurt.

Ryan Stewart > Icarus8 11/30/2013 at 17:01

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What do you know about the situation? Hell, it might have been the people involved that took the photo.

Hindered23 > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 17:03

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I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. you got bullied in high school, for that, I am not sorry. you were that kid that rushed in college but didn't get any bids. you're that guy that fights on the internet because he lacks real friends. and because were in the game of insults, I fucked your mom immediately after I finished with your sister.

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 17:05

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Obviously you don't know anyone who does good things without seeking attention for it then. Or anyone who only does good things for attention. Most people fall into one category or the other.

It's like Christian food drives that are more about proselytizing and indoctrination than actually helping people. I'm all-too familiar with this "brand" of humanism because I have family members who would rather kick a homeless person when they're outside the church.

Josh Welton > evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) 11/30/2013 at 17:23

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I know both. And I still think you're way off. But, ya know, keep fitting people into those neat little boxes.

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 17:27

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Actions speak louder than words. Good people don't have to prove it to anyone.

Josh Welton > evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) 11/30/2013 at 17:31

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They don't, but I'm not gonna automatically discount their actions if they decide to talk about it. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I guess I could go back to what I said a few posts ago

I think you could see it as using the situation to inspire others to act similarly in a given situation. You know, as opposed to DOING NOTHING like nine out of ten passing by typically do.

And if you can logically refute that, go for it. But considering it's not an absolute like you want to deal with, I'm betting you can't.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 17:35

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I contribute more than insane ridiculous conspiracy theories to this site. So, nope. Try again. Actually, don't. I don't need to waste the time.

Todzzgod > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 17:41

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Nothing against the Romneys but they should have strangled that devil eyed bastard at birth! Wheres an exorcist when you need one?

J. Drew Silvers > Josh Welton 11/30/2013 at 18:37

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Bragging about "good deeds" negates the purpose of just doing something because of your own conviction as far as I am concerned. There is no need to broadcast doing something good for other people, but if the receiving person wants to make a big deal about it, then whatever. Again, only my opinion, but the people I have seen who brag about their positive actions on are usually the same people I considered to be pillocks long before that point.

rabbit21787 > Have Jeep, will travel. 11/30/2013 at 18:49

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As would I. Difference is i wouldn't put myself in the picture

Have Jeep, will travel. > rabbit21787 11/30/2013 at 19:57

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I would! Look how strong he looks holding the car up with one arm!

KCfrnch > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 20:12

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So in a world where social media reigns as King, y'all are surprised that an incident of this magnitude made it to his Facebook/Twitter account? And I would understand that the picture would be fuckin strange as hell if there were fatalities, but it looks like everyone was ok. Get off his ass, he did something good, let him revel in the excitement of it all. I'd do the same damned thing.

TeamZ > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 20:40

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What happened to doing things because its the right thing to do, not do things because its gonna get me good publicity.

When i do good things for others i dont run around telling everyone i just did something good for someone.

PragmaticPanda > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 21:11

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DAHHHH, I did something-must... let.... Utah know.....

TheGodDamnPope > SquirrelyWrath 11/30/2013 at 22:57

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Sorry to burst your crazy bubble, but not everyone is a political cheerleader like you. The mere fact that he called you a liberal asswipe doesn't mean he's associated with any political party.

"I can do that shit to dick head. I can insult your party, your politics, your lineage, your ethnicity, and sexuality with the best of them"

So essentially you're a self-described troll. I'm sure the vast interwebs are thoroughly impressed by your troll skills. Nice to know that in your world, insults about ethnicity and sexuality are okay, but "PR stunts" are not.

Maxx Cracker LX > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 23:08

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Everybody gets one.

daiheadjai > PRBot II 11/30/2013 at 23:19

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Ah... the indignation of the self-righteous.

Unless if you had a hand in helping these people out, I don't think anyone has the right to criticize Romney Jr. for his little "photo-op"

Unless if it was truly staged (which would take a hefty dose of partisan conspiracy-mongering in order to seem plausible).

I would wager that for a certain portion of the commenters (and even the author), the "criticism" stems not so much from what Junior did, but rather what his last name is, and what that represents (in the eyes of some people, at least)

Josh Welton > J. Drew Silvers 11/30/2013 at 23:38

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You're absolutely right. He should have just left them there. Not said a word about it, passed by like many would have. Considering him "bragging about it" negates that actual deed, the outcome would have been exactly the same.

g-luttig > PRBot II 12/01/2013 at 01:41

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Well he's no Teddy Kennedy

Kylemaro > PRBot II 12/01/2013 at 02:39

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wow what a great guy, and sp photogenic. what did "obama's son" do? oh yeah he got shot by a neighborhood watchman. just saying

J. Drew Silvers > Josh Welton 12/01/2013 at 02:59

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I never said any of that: "negates the purpose of just doing something because of your own conviction" is what I said and states that the person doing the good deed did it with an assumption of praise either beforehand or after the fact. My response said to do good things as you are convicted to do so, but keep them to yourself. It's simple, human decency - living life without expectation, doing positive things, and moving on. The end.

SquirrelyWrath > TheGodDamnPope 12/01/2013 at 12:45

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You aren't making a hell of a lot of sense. You want to write your own narrative make your own comment. I never associated with a political party, I never claimed to be a democrat. I vote for who will do the most for me, not a party. I made a fairly passive non affiliated comment and was attacked personally for it. So I attacked in kind. Don't try to be some white knight when you aren't.

Josh Welton > J. Drew Silvers 12/01/2013 at 12:48

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So, all things considered, would you rather he be "convicted" to tell them to fuck off and keep driving? Or to be "convicted" to help the victims out, regardless of intent?

It seems most are assuming he did it just for praise. Making people aware of a good deed you did may take some of the luster off of a "selfless act," but it doesn't mean he wouldn't have helped out if he didn't have a camera phone there to document the situation.

I dislike the Romneys. I don't like what they stand for, what they believe in, how they go about their business. But attacking for something like this just wreaks of bullshit political bantering.

J. Drew Silvers > Josh Welton 12/01/2013 at 13:32

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He shouldn't have publicized it. Period. That is where it stops. I don't care who his daddy is or what his political affiliation or popularity with the public may or may not be. Him helping someone out is great, but broadcasting it saying "Look at me! I did something awesome!" Is tacky and stupid. If his wife or someone he helped out had done so, then that's great. Him posting it on his own reeks of arrogance, which is his right if he wants to be that way, but as I said is very tacky and egocentric.

Keep your mind off the political jargon with me though, please. I have no political affiliation whatsoever and as long as career politicians exist, will remain that way. The only reference I make is that he is somewhat of a public figure affiliation. It would not matter if he were so in a political sense, entertainment, or royalty. Arrogance doesn't discriminate.

nezuko > PRBot II 12/01/2013 at 13:32

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Do not mock Josh Romney.

Josh Welton > J. Drew Silvers 12/01/2013 at 13:42

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I'm not saying he shouldn't have kept his mouth shut, but the fact is that he stopped when most would not have. Any motivation beyond that is an assumption, either way.

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 12/01/2013 at 15:36

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Apparently you missed where I said "most likely" and "most people". There's always a grey area, I'm not denying that.

Josh Welton > evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) 12/01/2013 at 15:45

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You're correct, I misread that...my apologies. I still think that nearly everyone exists in that grey area, though. Altruism is a nice thought, but nearly everyone has a "selfish" motive one way or another.

evilfacelessturtle (Hooning a Ford is Domestic Abuse) > Josh Welton 12/01/2013 at 16:10

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When you help others, they tend to pay it forward. And when you do things to help society as a whole, it benefits everyone, including you. So yes, you could say there's a selfish element, obviously you have to look out for yourself, but you don't have to do so at the expense of others.